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we should think about tim hetherington and the realities of covering wars. >> no doubt about it. tim, a friend of the show and, of course, chris also. great photographers. their work will certainly be missed and willie, they really did bridge the gap for a lot of americans between us and what's happening in afghanistan every day for our troops that sacrifice every day. >> nothing more important. those are the people who remind us every day what's going on. >> no doubt. >> willie, way too early. has time is it? >> it's "morning joe." see you tomorrow. stick around for "the daily rundown" with chuck and savannah. president obama wakes up in san francisco for day two of his three-day west coast trip once again hitting the republican budget plan and rallying his financial base for 2012. but he talks about why 2012 won't be like 2008. >> they all look back, you know, obama, he ran such a perfect campaign. so smooth. what campaign were you on?
plus, frightening news out of colorado this morning on the 12th anniversary of the columbine school shooting a homemade bomb sets off a fire in a nearby mall. police want more information about this man. and one of baseball's crown jewels is on life support this morning. another casualty in the ongoing theater dodger divorce battle. major league baseball is moving to take control of the once proud los angeles team. it's thursday, april 21, 2011. savannah is on assignment, i'm chuck todd. a tragedy in libya, two top photographers killed covering the war ravage in misrata. we'll remember them later in the show. get to the rundown. we're going to begin here in san francisco with the president's road show across the west. multiple fund-raisers another one this morning before he heads to reno for a third town hall then back to los angeles for even more fund-raisers tonight.
all this as he pitches his plan to rein in the national debt and the deficit. again, any question about whether this was a campaign swing, listen to the way the president described the proposal on the republican side. >> i think it's fair to say that their vision is radical. no, i don't think it's particularly courageous. the last point i'll make is this, nothing is easier in solving a problem on the backs of people who are poor or people who are powerless or don't have lobbyists or don't have clout. >> sitting with the president, facebook's 26-year-old founder mark zuckerberg. put on the spot as the president pitched his plan to raise taxes for the wealthy like zuckerberg himself. >> and then has we've said is, let's take another trillion of debt that we raise through a reform in the tax system that
allows people like me and, frankly, you, mark, for paying a little more in tax. >> i'm cool with that. >> i know you're okay with that. >> but even with all the cuts, the president admitted there's a limit to how much the federal government can do. in fact, here's how he responded to a question about those in trouble with their mortgage. >> the challenge we still have, as your question properly points out is that a lot of people who bought a first home when credit was easy now are finding that credit is tough. and we've got to strike a balance, frankly, there's some folks who are probably better off renting. >> california's lieutenant governor gavin newsom was with the president in palo alto and in san francisco yesterday. the former mayor of his lovely city and joins me now. sir, thank you for getting up early. talk about the last thing the president said, because california, three, four states hit hard by the housing crisis.
>> i understand that. >> when the president says, maybe some are better off renting, a pretty pessimistic statement. would you say the same thing to folks in san francisco? >> talk about the homeowners, half a century. the clinton administration -- >> last two presidents talked about it constantly. >> we hit a wall. we live in an urban environment, west coast, dense, urban cities, 30% renters. a renting construct and a real debate, political divide between those advocating rent control and protections and those who believe in home ownership and political divide on that. there's a subtext to the comments i understand as a former mayor and of course living in the state like california where you have close to 20 counties with unemployment north of 15% exacerbated by this housing assess foreclosure crisis. >> would you be comfortable going out there saying, hey, rent. >> no. and not just patronizing you for the clip, the one thing i pause an i picked that up,
disproportionately. the two other points, two our points, right on. the applause lines of that town hall. an interesting comment. i get that. there's so up pressure, such -- remember he made the comments during the campaign, said in this ownership society, you're on your own. so it became an applause line, a political frame. so i sense that we're back in the political frame on this ownership society. you're on your own. that notion of conservatism without the compassion. >> so -- not to say you're being critical of that comment, that took you back. a week ago with governor rick perry in texas. republican. and you had some interesting words. he said, you're sick and tired of governor perry coming to california taking jobs. >> yeah. >> and you said you want to do something. you want to get back to -- you say democrats aren't talking about -- >> you know, i think we should not -- >> the president didn't talk a lot about job creation. >> we cannot see jobs through the republican party. it's democratic party needs to be the pro-job party. if you're pro-job you can't be
anti-business. small businesses have to embrace that. 's in a state like california, unemployment north of 20%, i mentioned 20 county north of 15%. you've got to be in the jobs business. not rhetorically, substantively. that's got to be the focus. they're doing it. the ceo of facebook was down there part of that competitiveness. other silicon valley leaders. symbolically came down to silicon valley, heart of the auentrepreneurial spirit, on th leading and cutting edge on the state. he's been here four times in the last seemingly year and a half. he gets if and it moving in that direction seve fn that wasn't necessarily part of the conversation yesterday because there were no questions on it. >> my questioguess, stunning in itself, my guess is rick perry would say, you know why i'm getting jobs? i'm getting jobs here in texas because i don't have a lot of taxes here. i don't have a lot of burdensome this or that on businesses. >> reality -- taxes are actually
on a per capita basis slightly higher than california. people don't believe that. their property taxes are higher. they don't have an income tax. they have a differentiator but don't have the workforce protections or environmental protections. i don't want to be more like texas. i want to be more like the dream that is california. this state is the most -- more dliv rative in that approach. >> you live out here, with the bafs the democratic party, one would argue. something the president said last night seems to be a subtle jab. take a listen. >> i know there are times where you sit there and are thinking, golly, you know what? obama is, made some compromise with the republicans on this or that, or you know, how -- he should have done it this way, and everybody's a political consultant, and then your friends come and you say, oh, obama's changed. you know.
he's, you know -- i used to be so excited. i still have the poster, but -- i know. >> how often do you run into that? with democrats around here in particular? >> no one is better at self-objectifying. he has a remarkable capacity to get outside himself and get a sense -- he knows where he is. you know, you heard it, talking about don't ask, don't tell. someone in the audience goes gay marriage. >> single payer. >> right. he emphasized out here, don't ask, don't tell, work is not done. it's not finished. he recognized those frustrations and, look, the basis engaged, it's bases support him. there's more questions now about our capacity to live deliver and i think he started to answer those. >> before i let you kngo, california's budget crisis a constant following all the time. is it going to be resolved in
sacramento or at the ballot poll? >> never in sacramento necessarily. everything is -- >> once again going to -- >> in this case, a $26.6 billion problem, solved $11.2 of it, $50 some left. we don't want to devastate education and the safety social services. we need to extend taxes and preserve the infrastructure we have pridefully bit tht i have to say as a -- any way to run a government? you always have to go to referendums to do this? >> on taxes you have to. perverse adopted by the voters. four republican ace way from getting two-thirds to do it in the house. that's the frustration. we're going to get our act together. we've got the right governor, at the right time. the right plan. made the tough choices on a half cuts and now want to get that tax extension, preserve this remarkable infrastructure we built, particularly on education. >> all right. former mayor of san francisco. current lt. governor's california.
thanks for getting up. you said the 17-month-old does that for you. >> try 4:30 this morning. >> thank you, sir. going to colorado now. police released this photo of a person of interest in an apparent plot to detonate a pipe bomb in a suburban mall yesterday. the incident came on the 12th anniversary of the columbine high school massacre just two miles away. miguel al ma gair has the latest. why do officials have believe there's a connection to columbine? >> reporter: scary similarities. investigators called this incident disgusting because of its location and also because of the timing to that anniversary. it was about the lunch hour here. the mall behind me was packed with people when investigators discovered that there was two pipe bombs -- one pipe bomb and two propane tanks inside the mall. this is the surveillance photo you're looking at released of the suspect. not a suspect.
a person of interest. investigators noticed this man left an entrance or exit that's not commonly used by the public. that's the red flag. somebody who they would like to identify and speak to. now, the fbi -- excuse me, the fire department was called here to the mall just after noon wednesday when a fire broke out inside the mall. the fire department went in. put out this fire. then they called in the bomb squad when they discovered that two propane tanks were in the area where the fire originally started. a third device, a pipe bomb, was found and then the mall was, of course, immediately evacuated. scary because up to 10,000 people are usually inside this mall during that time of the day. it's a very busy place during the lunch hour. now, this all happened, as you mentioned, on the 12-year anniversary of the columbine attack. 12 years ago yesterday is when those two students in columbine opened fire on fellow students killing 13 people as well as themselves, chuck. so some eerie similarities, of course, investigators continue
to look at today, chuck. >> oh, man. miguel al ma gair, thanks very much. all right. up next, back to the national debate and president obama being in campaign mode. calling the republican budget plan radical? he's not the only one. the 2012 campaign does it mean throwing deficit dealmaking out the window and make s&p seem like they're right? still to come, the latest on the massive wildfires burning out of control in texas. how firefighters are battling the deadly blaze today. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. he's given most of it for you. the big public event, reno, nevada. certain swing state for 2012. you're watching t"the daily rundown" on msnbc. f the most po, yet easy to use trading tools on the planet. it's investing with intelligence and cold hard conviction. e-trade. investing unleashed.
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i won't sacrifice our science in basics research i won't sacrifice the safety of our highways ar airport, i won't sacrifice our investment in clean energy at the time when our dependence on foreign oil is causing americans so much pain at pump. i will not sacrifice america's future p future. that i will not do. >> the president called ed paul ryan's budget radical and short-sighted. members of back in district with colorful language themselves. kentucky congressman call the it a harry potter plan. a member of the budget committee and joined us. thanks for joining me, congressman. >> good morning, chuck. >> i want to start with a criticism i think is coming actually now from a bipartisan group of folks. democrats and republicans, and
see where you are on this and it has to do with the president's medicare commission of sorts, which this beefed up board that would approve rates, reimbursement rates, and it could really set the table for how insurance companies overall reimburse doctors for health care bills. takes that power away from congress. are you comfortable with that? >> i'm not really comfortable with that. we had that debate last year and right now have an institution called cms that does virtually the same thing. a rather arbitrary way of doing it. it doesn't get sufficient input, as far as i'm concerned. so before i would agree to the president's proposal i would want to make sure that this panel got sufficient input from people who are in the trenches in health care. >> when you say -- what parts of it, you feel as if there's not any of, doctor involvement, nurse involvement or with the folks dealing with medical bills
themselves? what is it that's missing in the way the president's doing this? >> i think a lot of the input comes from, for those things, comes from hospital hospitals, physicians and hospitals. physicians are squeezed. you don't get enough input from patients as well and nurses. there just needs to be balanced input because there isn't sufficient input right now. >> what are the unique aspects -- one of the unique aspects about your tenure in congress, before you were there were you a columnist. on the other side. you were criticizing, watching what was going on, venting frustrations rather openly. had you ran, people are saying he's taking too many position. he'll never win. well you won. what lessons do you say to yourself, boy, you know what? i was naive about -- if i was, had been a member of congress i
wouldn't have written x? >> well, i'm not sure that i would really go back and rewrite anything i've done. what i've learned, however, is that if you're actually straightforward and honest with voters, whether -- don't follow the polls. tell them what you can believe. can you can establish a certain level of trust in the your constituency they're not as concerned highway you vote on a particular issue. this debt ceiling vote which i know is considered politically toxic right now, i'm going out and telling my voters, look, if you vote against the debt ceiling you're voting to foreclose on the united states of america. that's plain and simple. this is really one of the most simple issues we have, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. it's not a debatable issue. so most people, when i'm talking to them, they're asking me for information, because they understand that these issues are really complicated and if you're honest with them i think it pays off. >> interesting. there was something, a great
column you wrote back in 2006. march of 2006. you wrote this about social security in your frustration with the american political system you said, for example, even though social security system face as dire financial future, no one has seriously discussioned how to fix it. republicans marched in lockstep behind the bush proposal even though no one demonstrated it would solve the problem and democrats universally opposed it without offering a solution. watching what you watched back in '05 and '06 on social security and now participating in this conversation on the debt and deficit, are we seeing the same pattern take hold? >> well, we are, and, you know, unfortunately both sides play in deenlts a lot of the time. one of the problem wes face now in washington after this last election is, both sides have gotten a little bit more idea logically rigid. that's unfortunate. i thought that the simpson bowles commission report was worthy of debate. i'm glad the president has kind of resurfaced some of those principles in his revised budget
plan, and -- because, you know, the idea that we would say, we won't extend -- we won't raise the rate that people get full retirement benefits until, to 70 years old, 65 years from now, when it doesn't affect one person who's alive yet? the idea we would rule that off the table makes no sense to me. so i think we have -- we're playing to our bases too much, and, again, this is opportunity right now with the standard & poor report, with the talk, the public is focused for the first time on the serious nature of our economic situation and our fiscal situation. it's time, we have an opportunity to have the thoughtful conversation we need to have so i don't think either side should rule anything off the table. >> congressman yarmuth. thank you for joining us on "the daily rundown." >> thanks, chuck. is your iphone secretly
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i am, where i'm at so i can find a way to get to my hotel here in san francisco. i'm just saying. some parts of it we like. a long time coming, but yesterday the commissioner of major league baseball used a clause called in the best interests of baseball, bud selig, initiated a hostile takeover of the los angeles dodgers. the team had been in financial limbo thanks to mismanagement on the parts of the controversial owners who are locked in a bitter divorce battle with the dodgers caught in the middle. we're joined now by msnbc contributor baseball enthusiast mark barn icle and darren rovel. thank you both. mark, start with you. a long time coming as far as bud selig is concerned. he used a part of the baseball rules, clause called the best interests of baseball. i would ask this. what took him so long? >> well i think it was building,
cluck, fo chuck, for months and months and months. what precipitated his invoking that clause was the dodgers near inability to meet their april 15th payroll. players get paid on the 15th and the 1st of the month. the 15th, the dodgers couldn't meet that payday without a personal loan of $30 million. not from the dodgers, to frank mccord. that combined with the fact that a fan was brutally beaten on opening day. the dodgers response to it and the security in dodger stadium parking lots, they so underplayed it, finally all of the other owners put a lot of pressure on the commissioner to act, and he did. >> i'll tell you, one of the other reasons that seemed to come about, frank mccord is trying to get a tv deal by fox, approved by major league baseball, a deal over 20 years,
and if baseball approves it, it, perhaps, maked the dodgers less valuable if they force a sale over the next couple of years. if this one of the other reasons selig had to step in now? >> i appreciate what mike has to say but i think it has nothing to do with the security incident and the giants fan. this has to do with leveraging of mccord to every asset he own. we already know through the divorce case he funneled $100 million from his dodgers assets to his personal living account, and, yes. the fox television deal where it would be front-loaded so he were get the most money possible is just yet another straw, chuck. i will say, there is a question as to the legality of the business of the baseball clause. the best interests of baseball, and i'm sure frank mccord is going to sue. you've got to remember, court is in mccord saying he doesn't have the power to do this.
>> when you own a major league baseball club prying to taking control of the club you sign a paper precludes you from suing the commissioner of baseball. secondly, on the finances of the dodgers, this has been building for months and months and it all came out in the divorce decree you're right, granted, but the precipitating moment came when they could not meet that payroll. >> i agree on that. it is meeting the payroll. realize, the mets didn't meet payroll. the mets gots 25ds million from major league baseball. he never took out a loan from major league baseball. the mets couldn't get anything. what's the difference between this and the mets. that's has he's going to argue. >> got to ask from this frank mccord, you knew of him a little bit. knew him a little as a boston businessman. did he ever have the money? did baseball -- should he ever have been approved as a an owner in major league baseball in hindsight? >> interesting question, chuck. when the dodgers were for sale
in late 2003, 2004. few bidders. frank mccord put together a bid basically leveraged to the hilt, his entire construction career in boston is built on leverage and litigation. we should point that out. darren is right there. he is litigious. society the only other bid was a late 12th hour bid by eli in los angeles for the dodgers. fox wanted to dump that piece of property, the dodgers, bay it didn't fit with them so badly that's how he got it. >> darren, if at some point we know baseball just did this with the texas ranger, then created an auction. how nolan ryan led a group there, now owns, runs the texas rangers, a part owner there. what is the dodgers' value as long as that tv contract doesn't get approved? what is the dodgers' real world value? forget the mess right now that mccourt's created and how much money he actually has in the team. if they put it on the auction block? >> you know the business of sports well. it's what someone will pay for
it. the value is probably dictated more by the fact that we're in more of a precarious financial world than we are obviously when frank mccourt bought the team. but it is a marquise franchise and it will command a couple bidders. i personally have spoken with mark cuban. he'll look at the book. if it's for sale, he might be interested. of course, he was also interested in the texas rangers and lost out on that. >> mike, like i said, i know you're close to a lot of people in baseball. how quickly could they do the same thing to the new york mets, and could it happen this year? >> i don't think it's going to happen with the new york mets, because they've indicated somebody something frank mccourt has not been willing to do, take on a partner. dodgers are one of the four premium teams, los angeles, cub, yankees and red sox, major league baseball la to put a caretaker in there to prep that team for sale.
the team will go for $1 billion because a potential for a regional sports network to be put together t. chick, chuck, remember, last thing, remember, mccourt was the high bid for the red sox, too. so if you're a red sox fan, obviously he didn't get it. you're feeling pretty good. >> absolutely. hopefully baseball realizes, no more leveraged owners. mike and darren, hopefully the dodgers have been saved. thank you both. >> your team, chuck. >> yes, it is. today's trivia question from the almanac of american politics, which senator attended a lady gaga concert for his 86th birthday? the answer and more, coming up on "the daily rundown."
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his campaign to pull inasmuch as $7 million. firing up a liberal base critical of the perceived compromises with republicans in washington. carla is senior political writer for the "san francisco chronicle" and joining me now. you're used to democratic presidents coming to california, because it's the atm machine of the democratic party. >> absolutely right. >> that hasn't changed. does the president have a problem with his liberal base? the president sort of addressed it last night. we played a clip earlier. is this a problem or an elite problem? >> once democrats decide, the liberal base will be there for obama. right in our, no question about it. you heard at the fund-raiser, on nob hill, people yelling out, where's single payer? what about gay marriage? >> what was that? when they yelled it out, did you get the sense they were upset about it or just teasing him about it? >> no. these are issues that matted ma them.
california nurses association one of them saying obama is spending a lot of money on war. where's the health care? why all the buddying up with the corporate sources at these big fund-raisers? there is some issue with the democratic base, but obama i think addressed it in both of his events yesterday. >> any of it have something in to do with the fact there seems to be a distances from the white house to nancy pelosi obviously from right here in san francisco where suddenly that relationship isn't as close as it once was? >> absolutely right's in in both events yesterda pelosi is still a rock star in the bay area, very popular. a tight relationship with the liberal base. i think people understand what's going on in washington, where there has to be outreach to moderate democrats, but the fact is, she's still is retaining clout here among the california base. >> it's an atm machine for both
parties. the only time you see republican candidates is to go raise money. sometimes in the east bay, i'm guessing around here -- >> right. >> do you get any sense of the frustration from california republican doan is with the same attitude with the direction of the republican party? >> they're at a low point. 31% registration. historic low. right now declined state voters may outweigh republicans in california. party's in real disarray. the fact is, republicans still come here to fund razfund raise. looking ahead, real concern among republicans, how to rebuild the party, were where's the bench? how they'll particularly attract latinos. a huge problems for rubbens here. >> of the republican presidentials who have the financial organization in california above others? >> look, romney has a lot of
contacts. meg whitman was an adviser to romney. >> is she going it sign up with him again? >> this is an unknown now. she's out there and looking at it, but, look, we also see donald trump out here before. he's campaigned here as a reformed party candidate in 1999. he's been around california also. the fact is, right now, for the republicans, it's really unknown how that's going to go for california voters. >> watching yesterday the silicon valley issue. just brought up meg whitman. silicon valley struggled to actually succeed in the political space. their candidates, steve wesley, he didn't -- get there and governor meg whitman failed. what's the -- what is the disconnect? why has that not happened? >> very interesting, because silicon valley, what you saw yesterday, mark zuckerberg, this incredible entrepreneur, and they've had so many, i think, interesting candidates when you're talking about whitman and wesley. the fact is, making the
connection between the business world and the political world is a big lift and whitman showed that. she spent $150 million trying to make the case she he probably danced as well. up next, the 2012 republican field getting agents more crowded today in a race full of wild cards. why you may have heard this new guy. first, the without tip of the day. half the staff is not there. chicken chili. the rest eating whatever the fine chefs on air force one are
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is the buzz, sir. out there, it's that you might be floating your name out there to are president in 2012? >> how could that possibly be? i'm here espousing the legalization of marijuana and harm reduction strategies regarding all the other -- >> i'm jut saying it's more proof than -- >> who's been smoking marijuana? come on. >> there you go. the republican field gets a little more wide open, shall we say. a new candidate jumped into the 2012 race this morning. former new mexico governor, two-term governor in i might
add. gary johnson favors legalizing marijuana sashgs port abortion rights, vetoed 750 bills in his eight years in office. more than all the other governors combined. his first stop after introducing himself to voters, tucker's ravine on mount washington, an extreme ski experience where he's inviting the media to join him on saturday. well, republican race is getting wild. frank lavin, with political director in the reagan white house. frank, got to ask you, every day that we hear about donald trump. we hear about a gary johnson. we hear about other sort of wild card candidates looking and going, no front-runner. why not? do you sit there as a republican and go, this is turning into a little bit of a mess? >> well i wouldn't call it a mess, but i'd say this -- it's an open field. that's the way the american system works, and the party out of power has the advantage and the disadvantage of living with that openness.
so the good news for republicans this time is that there's going to be a lot of breadth, a lot of ideas, call it turmoil or excitement. that's also, the flip side, the bad news you don't have necessarily early coherence or early leadership and an ability to do the organizing and the planning you want if you're really going to be able to win in 2012. >> so have you ever met romney, pawlenty and -- >> i would add that mitch daniels and jon huntsman in the field. neither of them are definitive candidates but those are the five sort of established candidates, if you will. >> all five have sort of one thing in common that, or one thing not in common with donald trump. that is, this sort of lack of fire in his rhetoric to the point of some of the rhetoric, nutty rhetoric, unfactual rhetoric with trump, but he's channels this anger, this sort of. >> yes.
>> mad as hell i'm not going to take it anymore aspect. should these established republicans be learning a lesson from trump or let him wear himself out? >> i advise a candidate to follow that second path. a i'd say, voters react to his tenacity. a sense of self-proportion and strong media persona. over the long run you need a message that fits with the party and i don't think trump has solved that set of issues yet, if he can. i woo auld advise, what's the ration natural for yoll? pes cal problems we have, particular challenges from the obama administration and so forth. that's what i'd advise candidates to start with. >> frank, do me a favor. fact check one thing trump keeps saying about china. you are very familiar in asia, worked out there. been an ambassador in asia. he keeps saying, well, he's just
going to tell china this and he's going to raise 25% tariffs on that. >> yeah. >> this stuff is crazy. it's illegal. correct? >> yeah. you cannot just unilaterally raise tariffs. by the way, there's a very track ti practical reason. why impede commerce if you're a u.s. president? when a country goes to war, its enemy tries to cut off its harbor, cut off its trade. so your enemy tries to stop imports to you in wartime. why would we do that to ourselves? it doesn't parse that sentence. to your point playing beautifully with the pugnacious audience that just says we need a president who shows a bit of emotion and view this as an illustration of toughness. a certain resonance for it but i don't think it passes the smell test, if you will. >> the international pride, looking at the situation in libya, no-fly zone by definition is one national security aide told me is a stalemate.
that that's, you know, when you're imposing one, you're creating a stalemate on the ground. >> yeah. by the way, that sounds like rationalization, doesn't it? >> i was going say -- >> you can declare victory -- >> right. politically, how long, i mean, what kind of patients do yce wi american public have for a stalemate in libya that may last months? >> i think president obama's okay politically if it's a matter of months. if this goes on for another 90 days, four months, and gadhafi, the end of it is removed, i think the typical american view, political sense, toward foreign policy changes is all's well that ends well. if we get some acceptable outcome, the fact that it took four month is acceptable. and if republicans say i would have done it in one month, i don't think that gets them anywhere, and it's not necessarily credible. >> frank lavin, a pleasure to have you on, political and
international expertise, good to have you. next, we'll go live to libya where the city war turned the streets into battlefields and took the lives two of award-winning photojournalists. don't worry, lucky, these wheat thins crunch stix will save us. [ crunch ] look! [ male announcer ] wheat thins crunch stix. try our new flavors.
now the deaths of two photojournalists in libya who were covering the battle in misrata when they were killed wednesday. we have more live from tripoli. what happened there? >> reporter: well, the aid ship "iron union spirit" carried the bodies of tim heathering ton and chris hondras out of misrata. the events surrounding this still remain unclear. however a statement from hettherington's family said he was killed by a rocket propelled grenade. the two photographers had gone with rebel fighters to tripoli street which is in the center of
misrata where the attack apparently happened. as we all know, these were two highly experienced photo journalists in their own right. tim hettherington was nominated for an-yard for co-direct iing an award for co-directing film. and they had tweeted from misrata, "indiscriminate shelling by gadhafi forces. no sign of forces." and the other journalist who won one of the highest prizes in photography, his work was featured in some of the most prominent magazines around the world. he was supposed to be actually to be married this summer. two other note fourphotojournal
caught in the attack, suffering shrapnel wounds. misrata, which is libya's third-largest city, has been under siege by rebel strongholds. hundreds have been killed in fighting, with food, fuel shortages, the city's in chaos. rebels are demanding more air strikes from nato in order to be in a position to fight libya government troops. today, gadhafi forces continue to pound the city and mortar fire killed at least three rebel fighters and wounded 17. >> all right. one of our producers in tripoli this morning reporting, thank you very much. tough day for all of the journalist, particularly those in libya. side by side, these are the folks that bring you the pictures of this stuff. bring the war home for a lot of folks. sad day in journalism. that's it for "the daily
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